THE BEST BATMAN AND ROBIN MOVIE

This movie was so good that I unironically think Jensen ackles is the voice of red hood despite only voicing him once. Man just gives Jason the weight and grit the character deserves

Jason’s line to Batman at the end “The friends he’s crippled”, another reference to the Killing Joke.

People really forget how much Jason loved school and reading

My first animated Batman movie I grew up watching. The feels still hit by the ending of young Jason saying “This is the best day of my life!”.

I feel like Nightwing being kind of useless was showing that ever since Jason died Bruce hasn't and wasn't trying to work with anyone anymore.

Been waiting for someone to talk about this moive it's a masterpiece, Jason is definitely one of my favorite robins

I always assumed in the comics that people knew Dick became Nightwing because of the Teen Titans. You see Robin running around with the Titans one day and then next you have Nightwing take his place as the leader of the Titans. Meanwhile Batman has a new Robin a few months later. Plus their style of combat. Dick is more acrobatic and incorporates more gymnastics whereas Jason is more street due to not having a acrobatic background. He got the basics from Batman but it's not something he was taught and practiced since he was a child.

The Nightwing Problem isn't just an issue here, it's been a continuous problem in most of his DC animated movie appearances. In son of Batman, despite subduing Damian he still clearly took more visible damage then is jobbed out by Damian later. In Batman vs Robin he's sidelined again like here. In Bad Blood he's the only one of the heroes who doesn't win his one-on-one fight in the climax (cause heaven forbid you let Dick go over Bruce, even when the latter is brainwashed and presumably fighting against it as he fight Nightwing, no keep that Batman Hogan booking going), In Batman and Haley Quinn he barely does anything, loses to Harley in a one-on-one fight and then nearly gets sexually assaulted, In JL vs TT he literally phones in his role, In Hush he gets infected by Scarecrow's fear gas and loses to Catwoman then is out of the movie (I think they gave him huntress's role in this scene in the comic, instead of given it to Batgirl who they gave Huntress's earlier scene to, so she shows up to do nothing too), and in Apokalips War he's killed like 80% of the cast but as a final indignity gets to be the one they throw int he Lazarus Pit to revive and he goes Crazy. I think Judas Contract is the only time he gets to looks good by being the only member of the team who was able to escape Deathstroke. But outside of that, real stellar run for the original Boy Wonder.

I think Nightwing's inclusion was to show the opposing sides between Dick and Jason. Nightwing felt like the lighthearted Robin that gave Batman hope whereas Jason was his Despair after what happened to him. Also let's be honest Dick and Jason were treated the same to me because once Batman took the kid gloves off he wrecked Jason and that showed me he was never a threat to Batman in the first place

You really have to give DC some real credit.. they took a character that everybody hated.. I'm talkin hated so much that they wanted him dead Jason todd.. and turned him into one of the most well-liked popular characters the red Hood... That's talent and good story telling

I just wish it had a fight between Nightwing and Red Hood.

The DC Animated movie era when they ACTUALLY GAVE A DAMN about their adaptations.

I thought that Nightwing’s inclusion was to show how a post-DITF Family treats his original sidekick.

Couldn't agree more. Under the Red Hood is a blast to watch for basically every reason you listed.

This movie is the absolute pinnacle of the DC animated original film series and my personal favorite! In my opinion, it actually really improved on the source material. Top to bottom, just perfect!

Neilwing deserved better, maybe even his own movie . Get on it DC

I feel like joker would certainly know his fighting a new kid in costume, and that as soon as he noticed one of those kids was wearing a different costume he would tell his henchman off hand. Which would spread to the rest of the crime community.

17:32 It makes sense for Batman's bigger villains, they literally watched Dick Grayson grow up, yeah it was behind a mask, but Night Wings voice was Robins voice, NWs fight moves/style were Rs fighting moves/style. There wasn't that big of a gap between DGs Robin & Night Wing... I mean whatever the context if you saw & talked to a kid wearing a mask for about 5 min every few months for years on end, you would still recognize him if he one day switched his mask & style... It makes sense...

RE: Everyone knowing Nightwing was Robin. I bet Deathstroke told everyone. There’s been a few “villains hang out together at seedy bars” conceits, like in Identity Crisis. Likely someone found out like that, especially if they paid him enough. Plus, Joker killed Robin, then Robin was still around, so I wouldn’t think it would be too hard to extrapolate that their ages stay somewhat the same, and perhaps Nightwing was the first Robin, and from there, rumors spread.

The criminals know that batman has had four robins because: 1. They are all similar ages when they acted as robin. You mention this as a point against this but surely most people would be smart enough to figure out you cant be a teenager for 20 years. 2. They look similar BUT NOT THE SAME. Damien has darker skin. Tim has a red and black costume. 3. Criminals they've met on the street recognising them. Riddler, for example would fairly easily figure out that Batman has swaped robins a few times. It's not to hard to assume he would tell others, who would then tell others, until it's common news.