Why do Halo fans argue about this..?

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“ a birthright from an ancient civilization” “You ARE forunner” “I… i am a monument to YOUR sins”

What's funny is with Bungie lore, all of the disjointed or contradictory stuff was all written by Frank O'connor.

It was always obvious to me that the Halo series, at least the first three games, was something of a Noah's Ark story. Humanity being saved by the Ark to survive the Flood was always how I saw it going down.

As a casual fan through Reach, I figured out that the Forerunners were humans before the flood reset. When I started seeing stuff from 343 I got confused and thought something like, "I thought the Forerunners where Humans"

The real Forerunners were the friends we made along the way.

I never really cared about the forerunners, I was always a covenant kid. I loved my gas crabs, sniper birds, sword dinosaurs, and rage space gorillas.

I prefer the more mysteriously heroic feel the forerunners had in bunjie. They were so mysterious and the way the music amplified the wonder just leaves an impact on you. 343 took that simplistic lore and over complicated it over explaining it, ruining the mystery and wonder.

10:58 I'd argue there's a fourth segment of the OG halo fandom; lore fans who legitimately love the poetic "humans are forerunners" storyline and consider the new 343 direction overused and uninspired, despite how much "new lore" they pump out.

I think the irony of the Covenant exterminating their own gods so the prophets could stay in power was a huge plot point that 343 kind of ruined with making the forerunners "mysterious and powerful aliens". Also makes the 343 Guilty Spark line in Halo 3 where he literally tells Chief "You ARE Forerunner" make no sense. Just another thing that wasn't broken that 343 decided to "fix".

I actually liked the idea that humans were the forerunners. It gives an ironic conception to the war, that the Covenant were persecuting their own gods.

I miss the old lore for the flood, yeah mysteriously dropping in the milky way from an intergalactic destination feels simpler. But the idea the flood were intergalactic is absolutely TERRIFYING. As far as we could know, the milky way could've been one of the last uninfected galaxies ANYWHERE.

All of this would have been easier if Halo 2 had its original ending, where Arbiter found the human skeleton under the Ark.

I love what 343 has done with the forerunners lore in the books, but anytime I replay the bungie games or rewatch Halo Legends, I can't help but wish 343 had kept the mystery of the forerunner alive

Let's not forget how in the final battle for Installation 04-B, Guilty Spark flat-out tells Chief that Humans and Forerunners are the same: "You ARE the child of my makers. Inheritor of ALL they left behind. You ARE Forerunner! But THIS ring is MINE."

We argue about it because retconning lore and story elements is a terrible idea. You get invested in a good series only for some new guys to come along and take control of it and start changing things. It makes you wonder what else is on the chopping block? What else are they willing to change next? What if I get invested in the new lore they're coming out with now, only for somebody to retcon that lore a few years later? Is the entire series' lore subject to change? If it is, then why should I even bother getting into it in the first place? What I like right now could just get replaced 10 years from now and the future fans will make fun of me for liking the current lore. This is why most retcons are horrible for series like Halo.

Lets also not forget that 343 Guilty Spark has that line where he says "You are the child of my makers, inheritor of all they left behind. You ARE Forerunner"

Something that blew my mind was when I realized the similarities in architecture between humans and forerunner. Look at the New Mombasa Space Elevator and then look at the exterior of the Library on Delta Halo.

Your ending bit where you say "that's not the lore of Halo anymore" is exactly why fewer and fewer people give a crap about the new Halo games, myself included. It isn't a minor roadblock to be ignored so that we can "get back to liking Halo". I'm not loyal to the Halo IP or to any developer (the last Bungie game I played was Halo Reach), I just want to play a good game, with a good story and good lore. 343 is unwilling or unable to make a good game, with a good story and good lore. Until they do they're not going to enjoy the same level of success that Bungie had with Halo CE through Reach. It's not the fans that need to change, it's the developers who are too proud to admit that all of their changes have been awful.

C3 Sabertooth's video on this topic shows with proof that Bungie Forerunners were Human, and that this was supported by 99% of the material. Only like 1% of the content suggested Forerunners MIGHT not be Human, and guess who wrote that tiny inconsequential 1% of "lore"! That's right Frankie "spare monkey" O'Connor. If it wasn't for him, Forerunners would STILL be human. Mr. Spare Monkey brings shame to all Janitors.