THE WORST ANIMATED BATMAN MOVIE OF ALL TIME (W/ OWEN LIKES COMICS)

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There's actually an episode in the animated series where Harley captures Batman, and at one point, he laughs at her infatuations with Joker, calling out his manipulation. Harley is downright terrified hearing Batman actually start to laugh

My problem with the Batman and Batgirl relationship is 1. Dick has dated Barbara and they have been engaged in the past 2. Its Jim's daughter 3. Batman would probably know self control

Bruce Timm has a problem with Batman and Batgirl. I still hate that comic with Bruce getting Barbara pregnant behind Dick's back. Like what the absolute fuck was that?

"Turning her into an angry angsty teenager" Titans: Hold my beer

It kills me that they didn't take a simple fact into account. Killing Joke has nothing to do with Batgirl. The book doesn't mention Batgirl, Joker doesn't know Barbara is Batgirl, and that's purposeful. Once you introduce Batgirl to the story, you blur the lines.

The Batman and Batgirl relationship is really Bruce Timms fetish relationship And while I don't mean to shame the man he should really keep that to himself and leave the rest of us alone

I really liked Hamill's delivery of the final joke. He seemed to give it his all for final speech/Two guy story

This Film is a character Assassination of Batgirl (Barbra Gordon) Seriously she is So Bad and Terrible in this Film

If the Bruce/Barbara romance was supposed to be a bad idea, just for the drama. Than why do they keep coming back to it and shoehorning it in where it doesn't belong

When I first saw this movie I was not expecting batman and batgirl to have a one night stand. That for me was one of, if not the worst part of the movie. Their age difference and the teacher student relationship they have made it weird for me. I wouldn't say I saw a father- daughter relationship because she already had a living father who is from what I've seen is a good dad. I see it more as a uncle-niece relationship I guess if that makes sense.

Well that’s certainly a spin on Titans saying “Fuck Batman”

Seriously, it gets my goat how often writers (execs?) can't allow characters to be trusted friends or symbolic family, it always has to turn into a romance or something sexual. Barbara only shares a page with Bruce in the original graphic novel and it still manages to illustrate the strength of their relationship as practically father and daughter.

I personally believe that Bruce Timm has wanted to make this pairing forever, he even implied it in batman beyond. I think he didn't have the guts to actually make a stand-alone story and basically used the killing joke to force it in

"Where could they go wrong? How could they fail?" gets ad

"He's basically his son's ex-girlfriend!" Yes, I'm glad that point was made because that's what got under my skin. Gross!

Let me point out the problems about the Batman and Batgirl relationship that have already been pointed out 1)There is a huge age difference 2) Batman is essentially banging his best friend's daughter behind his back 3) he is banging his son's ex-girlfriend 4) The Batman Beyond 2.0 comic books did this and everyone hated it 5) Batman got Barbara pregnant 6) Telling his own son that he has been banging his girlfriend for the past year Even though they were engaged and were planning to get married 7) It makes both Barbara and Bruce look bad as characters

This movie in my opinion was Really Just Bruce Timm Writing out his fantasy of Batman & Batgirl Banging Even though every single DC fan does not like this relationship

It's poetic how what's considered one of the best batman comics translates to what's considered one of the worst batman animated movies. Seems like something the Joker himself would come up with

They honestly did Batgirl so dirty. I understand to give her character more depth so when she's shot, there's more impact. But how they did that was just so weird and fragmented from the main story, it just a waste of time