The Fading of Forgiveness

Published 2021-08-09
In today's episode of “The Word on Fire Show,” Brandon Vogt and I discuss a recent article by Tim Keller, the popular Protestant pastor, titled “The Fading of Forgiveness: Tracing the Disappearance of the Thing We Need Most”. Why are people increasingly skeptical about forgiveness? Keller proposes two reasons: a therapeutic culture, and religion without grace. 

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All Comments (21)
  • In my opinion, Bishop, this has been one of your greatest talks. I teach at college and I find your points fantastically accurate and also, I believe and hope, very appealing to those who do not believe in God or have left the Church. Will definitely use them at class. I strongly believe this is the way we are supposed to evangelize: with profound, well read and informed arguments which go to the depths of thought. You really are an inspiration to me. Thank you so much. Greetings from Argentina.
  • @rosemaryjrm3009
    I’m from Iraq ❤️❤️❤️ And I’m following you bishop and your word on fire since 2016! You have a big role in my new vision for faith and loving Jesus and specially as Catholic Christian ❤️❤️❤️ you are helping me to understand a lot of things in my faith and in life as general ,so blessed time when I heard any thing from you and word on fire ! Really I hope to translate everything to Arabic for my people here ,and I do at least in my home ☺️. even in quarantine time I was attended mass with you online from your blessed chapel... Always in my prayers,God bless you all.🙏🙏🙏🌹
  • I couldn't agree more bishop! As someone who has dealt with a secular friend saying rather harsh things to me over something I never knew was an issue in the first place is a key example of how our society has forgotten the value of forgiveness. I greatly wanted to talk things out with this friend and I am sure I would've have been open to change what upset him before it blew up, but instead no forgiveness was had. Instead he burned the bridge and ignored my offering for forgiveness. I continue to pray for this friend of mine that he may find forgiveness and myself that I may fully forgive him. Thank you Bishop for your amazing words of wisdom Bishop, may God bless you and all that you do for God's church
  • @maryradoy6256
    Bishop Barron you are THE MAN! Thank you so much for teaching/clarifying so much for us through YouTube (of all things)! Word on Fire is BY FAR the best thing on this platform.
  • We often do not distinguish between forgiveness and exoneration. Forgiveness does not mean that social justice should be set aside. They should compliment each other. I can forgive and move on, but there are consequences to actions that one needs to be accountable for. Our society has removed accountability as well as forgiveness. Everything is someone else’s fault.
  • @annphillips2520
    This video articulates what I experienced as a teacher, a world of the uninitiated, led by those who honor the victims. The antagonism was toxic and palpable. The common purpose of objective values? Absent. Our task as Christians is tougher than we realize. 👊🏻
  • @kussmannjv
    Thank you Bishop Barron and I really appreciate all your work.. you state that one has to come out of childhood a place of safety or what you fail to realize that many many children in our culture have never had that place of safety to begin with and it's very hard to move on to the initiation phase when you haven't experienced love and safety and I sense the lack of empathy for many of those folks in our society!
  • King's forgiveness of his enemies freed him to do all of the great work he did on behalf of justice for the oppressed. Justice is different from vengeance.
  • @4LovePeace
    Always, all ways, rich in depth and meaning. Thank you WOF staff, & Bishop Barron. ✨️
  • @channel-ww3vb
    wonderfully accurate assessment of what our culture has witnessed in it's genesis, it's struggles, and it's craziness. The wisdom and identification of what is holding us captive these days helps us to challenge the cancel culture in all of it's dysfunction! Thanks Bishop Bob and Brandon.
  • Thank you Bishop and Brandon! I’m a theology student for the MA in theology at Catholic Distance University. Your talks and videos help me out in my classes in ways I don’t know how to thank you but to be a better student and Christian at the same time. Blessings always and peace to you and yours
  • This should be an amazing video as usual, God bless you all watching this. Amen
  • Bishop Barron, Thank you so much for pointing out forgiveness and erroneous understanding in our society. Thank you so much, God bless you and your ministry! My prayer!
  • @kevinhodges867
    Bishop Barron, you may not read this due to time, but a few months back I had a disagreement with you and I feel like I needed to apologize if I was disrespectful. I appreciate your ministry and I wish you every happiness.
  • @imnotbrian
    Such an important discussion - I look forward to “part 2” as to what we can do as Christians to fix this dire situation in our society.
  • @annette4660
    What a great way to start a Monday, seeing two of my favorite people! Thank you Brandon for bringing up this important issue, and I look forward to hearing the "more upbeat" conclusion next time. And I loved the listener question and will have to listen to the Bishop's answer a few times as there's so much in it. God bless you both for all you do for us.
  • Wonderful video as always! I try to tell people about the freedom found in forgiveness, but it usually isn’t received well. Even Christians appear to simply give it lip service. “Yes, yes. We should pray for our enemies.” Yes but it’s so much more! Forgiveness is the wielding of spiritual bolt cutters! Be a badass! Something that my fellow Catholics will understand is offering up the sufferings someone has caused you. Recently, I stumbled upon the most powerful thing. I offered up the sufferings that my mother had caused me (she tried to sacrifice me to satan as a baby, which led to a lifetime of spiritual problems) for the salvation of my mother’s soul. It was as if power flew out of me. It was weird. And it was the most liberating thing I’ve ever experienced. If I could tell people one thing, it would be that: offer up the sufferings someone caused you for the salvation of that person’s soul.
  • This conversation brought to mind Dylann Roof, the racist gunman who killed nine people in a Bible study at a Black church. As horrific as any crime imaginable. But the families of the murdered people, indeed the whole of the Emmanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church forgave him publicly. And they proclaimed Christ and the call to forgiveness as they did so. True Christian witness from the genuinely aggrieved. Impossible to imagine without God's grace.