Did God punish Jesus on the cross? William Lane Craig vs Greg Boyd on Penal Substitution Atonement

They all agreed in one thing: we all need a library in our home just in front of a webcam

Looking forward to this one

Finally a civil debate where both individuals are respectful.

Boyd is very committed to an “either/or” theory of the atonement. It impacts his reasoning again and again. His “reframing” tends to result in just acknowledging that there is a fuller and more robust view of the atonement but then going on to create an artificial either/or “frame” which has him rejecting essential elements of the atonement.

Love Unbelievable?....Discussions like this are necessary for learning...Great discussion between Craig & Boyd....

It is painfully obvious that William Lane Craig is more devoted to the idea that God is perfect: in justice, love, mercy, etc. While, on the other hand, Greg Boyd is more committed to the idea of God as only perfectly loving. Appreciated the conversation, but it seems obvious that if we are going to assert the utter perfection of God; His justice cannot be, in any sense, neglected for the sake of His love.

This is an absolutely wonderful conversation - Kind, Honest, Clear and full of Depth. My view is maturing and being challenged with each minute that passes.

Hosea 6:6: "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." (NIV)

Have really liked this channel but ultimately gave it the Sub for getting Dr. Greg Boyd on the show !!! Great debate can’t wait for the next one on Greg’s book this time.

I really love both Craig and Boyd. So, when this popped up I had to watch. Totally delivered. Great talk.

I like what Dr Craig mentioned about the legal forgiveness makes us a new creature whereas us forgiving a brother doesn’t. Very interesting so far

CV vs PSA changed my faith- a few years ago, THANKS DR BOYD. You are doing very important kingdom work

Notice at the end that Dr. Boyd said, “I think that the most important fact in anyone‘s life is your mental conception of God,“ not, “I think that the most important fact in anyone’s life is that your your mental conception of God aligns with His actual nature and actions.” I found that to be very interesting and perhaps telling. As I was listening to Dr. Boyd and Dr. Craig discuss this issue, I was so captivated by all of their particular points. However, I was also curious how many of Dr. Boyd’s biblical and philosophical objections to Dr. Craig’s view were also psychological objections. Only the Holy Spirit knows. As for me, I have had to admit that many of my own objections are really psychological concerns, many of which are really spiritual issues, many of which are really acts of mental rebellion.

I’m excited for this one.

The problem with Greg’s “Jesus pushing someone out of the way of the bus” illustration is that there’s no guilt involved there. It again removes the kingly justice images which the entire scriptures are replete with.

Man, I really enjoyed this discussion!

What a great to discussion between two great minds. Thanks for this.

To Greg at 35:00. We are not just a bride who has been kidnapped against her will, like the bride in Ezekiel 16 we have left our bridegroom and pursued other lovers, despising His grace. He states that briefly in 26:30, but frames it as kidnapping rather than abandonment and despising Him

This was a really good debate in many ways. I have some issues with some details with PSA, but also some issues with some details in Christus victor. So I had some aha-moments. But most of all, how courteous and respectful both were to each other. No name calling nor straw men. A very pleasant debate/discussion

I'm stoked for this one.