Dr. Gabor Maté On How Trauma Fuels Disease | Rich Roll Podcast

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Published 2022-09-05
Bestselling author and physician Dr. Gabor Maté talks with Rich about the nature of addiction, trauma, and illness in a toxic culture often at odds with true healing. To read more about Dr. Maté and peruse the full show notes, go here👉🏾bit.ly/richroll702
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00:00:00 - Intro
00:01:46 - Unpacking Dr. Gabor's Thesis in New Book, "The Myth of Normal"
00:04:23 - Huge Gap Between Science-Based Evidence & Medical Practice
00:08:08 - Defining Trauma
00:12:14 - How Trauma Affects Chronic Ailments
00:14:45 - Disease as Teacher
00:17:28 - The Major Factors of Stress
00:19:48 - Impact of Loneliness on Health Outcomes
00:21:36 - Social-Economic & Racial Issues Lead to a Rise in Illness & Addiction
00:24:21 - Epigenetics: How a Hostile Environment Affects Our Genetics, Across Generations
00:27:48 - Childhood Development - Problems with Conditional Love
00:31:57 - Finding Agency & Authenticity, Spontaneous Healing
00:37:09 - Why Does It Take Great Suffering to Make a Lasting Change?
00:43:41 - Ad Break
00:45:32 - Trauma-Informed Legal System
00:48:24 - Trauma-Informed Medicine
00:50:44 - Moving Forward: Escaping the ‘Victim Identity’
00:53:38 - Recognize the Wound, Take an Honest Personal Inventory
00:57:46 - Gabor collaborating with his eldest son (Daniel) on this latest book
00:59:44 - Author David Foster Wallace ‘Fish in water” antidote
01:01:20 - The Willingness to be Disillusioned
01:04:43 - Dr Gabor Mate's Thoughts on Addiction and Recovery
01:04:51 - Social-Economic & Racial Issues Lead to a Rise in Illness & Addiction
01:11:26 - Recovery as a Path to Self-Actualization
01:14:28 - Is It Possible to Add Trauma Awareness and Reframe the 12 Steps?
01:22:20 - Reframing Rich's Relapse
01:24:45 - Parenting Advice
01:33:48 - A Child's Emotional Withdrawal from Their Parent. What Does It Mean?
01:36:22 - Closing

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All Comments (21)
  • Dr Mate was my doctor in Vancouver very briefly over 20 years ago. I wouldn’t be where I am without his kindness, understanding and genius.
  • @Xsynth
    I've been following Dr. Maté's work for well over a decade now. His work is paramount for us getting out of this insane sick society. Mercy on all of us.
  • As a nurse, every patient now has a DX of anxiety and depression. People are sad, sick, disgusted and confused. Everyone can agree, something is REALLY VERY WRONG!
  • @SandiTink
    I have MS. My mother died of complications from her RA. My father died of cancer. It took decades for me to understand that I had been abused by them. It took decades more to understand why they abused me and to forgive them for it. I’m in my mid-60’s, and I’m still working to heal the trauma of my past. Despite my age and my limited time left, I hope to heal enough to know what it’s like to not be depressed or anxious, to feel well in a way I never have, to have compassion for myself and a cathartic break from my past, and to meet my authentic self finally.
  • "There's very little that actually promotes healing - and there's VERY much that undermines it" Gabor Maté
  • For me, crying releases stress from my body and allows me to relax and this bodily relaxation keeps me from getting sick. When I used to attend weekly yoga classes a few years ago before I moved to another province, I always cried spontaneously throughout the class. I didn't wail as I cried, not wanting to disturb others in the room but the crying came as a result of moving my body in a calm and silent space where nothing was expected of me and I could simply 'be present.' I think there are so few places and spaces to be present and allow feelings to rise up. Also, while at Kripalu Yoga Retreat Centre for a week, I cried during every yoga class as I moved my body. It's quite remarkable. Few people whom I've told understand this. Crying is seen as something to resolve or stop, but for me I've felt its breath-giving effects on my emotional and physical state of being.
  • I was raised strict LDS (Mormon), and love was VERY conditional, although I was being taught about the importance of Unconditional love. It messed with me, very deeply. Double binds starting at 18 months old, and a belief system that defines who and what you are and where your worth is derived, can really take time to deconstruct, mourne and release. Not being allowed to show anger, or individuate at age 2 or in adolescence, has caused me much grief, suffering and has made me need to completely deconstruct my thought processes and views of the world, and myself. I'm 40 and FINALLY giving myself permission to individuate, explore and build myself, from the bottom up. Better late than never!
  • @Jennifer-bw7ku
    Psilocybin saved my life. I was addicted to heroin for 15 years and after Psilocybin treatment I will be 3 years clean in September. I have zero cravings. This is something that truly needs to be more broadly used in addiction treatment.
  • The medical system not only ignores trauma but creates trauma. Medical trauma is rarely spoken of. Emergency surgery, misdiagnosis, gaslighting, are just a few of the things create trauma in patients.
  • our way of expressing these concepts always attracts me, and nothing, but nothing compares with it-- the tone, the depth of spirituality, I can't put it into words. Your Manifesting Manual is something I can read over and over and soak up. youtube.com/post/Ugkxzpa8CIfZcihW4Z0F_ja0QF3W9KIat… I am in process of making the routine a solid part of my life, and it has made a difference! I LOVE your 12 meditations too! I know I am a different person after 9 months with Super Manifestor, and in process of continued positive change! You deserve accolades every day of the year! Keep on with everything, and as we say in Spanish, ANIMO! Lots of love and every blessing to you both.
  • @dabunnisher29
    #1 Rich, I really love your channel. No hype and really IMPORTANT guests. #2 Dr. Mate changed my life as a 1st time Dad. I thought "time out" was the way to go for my 3 year old Son, but after watching Dr. Mate in another talk, I realized how important it was to be with him when he needed me most and LISTEN to him about how he was upset instead of putting him in "time out." My Son and I now sit in his little chairs and talk about how he feels and how I feel. IT REALLY WAS A GAME CHANGER. Dr. Mate, you REALLY changed life. Thank you so much.
  • What’s been super interesting to me as I heal from CPTSD, is that I have started prioritizing my physical health, including doing moderate aerobic exercise and basic stretching of various muscles, and the release of trauma in my body is profoundly noticeable. Where I was previously storing most emotional pain in my heart area, it’s now spread to the rest of my body. I can tell my body is now connecting with itself and coming online where it was previously shut down. To those dealing with trauma, consider doing some basic stretches to move those muscles, the body work goes hand in hand with cognitive and emotional awareness of trauma healing. ❤💪
  • PILATES has saved my life. And Gabor mate videos and books. Resolving MS symptoms at warp speed
  • After reading Gabor's books I have a deep appreciation and profound respect for him. His lessons are a gift to humanity
  • @mealea98
    Honestly, DR Gabor Mate is freaking amazing, he hits every cords and speaks what I've always been thinking. Thank you Lord for creating Dr. Gabor to help the world in healing. So much respect.
  • @papabear2515
    This brilliant man has been a LIFE CHANGER in my life. True healing. I’m forever grateful!
  • @lindacarol122
    I'm so happy that 12 Step stuff was brought up. When I was in AA, I consistently felt like, "Yes, this is helping me to not drink, but something else, something deeper, is missing..." and I have since discovered that what was missing was trauma work. Long story short, I have also discovered Adult Children of Alcoholics and Dysfunctional Families, which does address trauma, and implements inner child work, etc. It has been incredibly healing for me! Thanks for having Dr. Mate on, Rich - great conversation!
  • What I understand so far about healing is that it's not a linear process, there are ups and downs, and it's much harder than I thought it would be, especially if you're alone. I'm there now, I'm working on it and hopefully I'll make it.
  • For hundreds of thousands of years people who were more introverted lived in small communities and didn't really have to travel far or meet lots of new people. In the last 100 years people have been moving further and further away from old friend groups and families. The modern world demands that at least a third of people fake extroversion in order to live and work. Humanity has never been in a position like this before. Well done Dr. Mate for pointing out so many of societies modern ills!