A Message From the Strictest Headmistress in the UK | Katharine Birbalsingh | EP 458

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Published 2024-06-24
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with the headmistress of the Michaela Community School, Katharine Birbalsingh. They discuss the importance of K-12 education, why it matters more than the universities in regard to the formation of thinking minds, how children can pursue both excellence and a life of dignity, and why strictness, absent tyranny, is the best form of education.

Katharine Birbalsingh is Headmistress and co-founder of Michaela Community School and former Chair of the Social Mobility Commission. She is known as “Britain’s Strictest Headmistress”, following the ITV documentary about Michaela. Michaela’s Progress 8 score placed the school top in the country the last two years. In 2023, OFSTED graded the school as “Outstanding” in every category. Birbalsingh read “Philosophy & Modern Languages” at the University of Oxford and has always taught in inner London. She has made numerous appearances on television, radio, and podcasts and has written for several publications. Birbalsingh has also written two books and edited another two, the last of which is “The Power of Culture,” which is about Michaela. Birbalsingh was appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) in 2020 and Honorary Fellow of New College, Oxford in 2021.

This episode was recorded on June 15th, 2024

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- Chapters -

(0:00) Coming up
(0:17) Intro
(2:41) They protested the opening of a free school
(5:18) By all metrics the Michaela Community School is succeeding
(6:24) Small “c” conservatism and a shared set of cultural values
(11:15) The opposition — who were they?
(15:02) How different wealth classes value education
(18:01) Strictness absent tyranny
(22:13) The Michaela School is not selective: why they hyper-perform
(25:46) “When it comes to children, I think you’re all wrong”
(38:16) Thinking skills cannot be taught in isolation, the backdoor to progressivism
(41:22) Half of state revenue feeds the woke ideology
(43:37) Knowledge is key
(47:38) The libertarian Right, the difference between adults and children
(54:48) Good lecturing, pair work, merits, and demerits
(1:05:53) Creating a group culture: local and national
(1:10:37) The prediction of performance
(1:13:15) Sacrifice for the betterment of the whole
(1:16:42) Adults know better
(1:20:54) Living a life of dignity, happiness, and satisfaction
(1:24:44) Why you want to succeed in school


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All Comments (21)
  • @BrotherTree1
    This woman is a menace and we need her on the front lines in the fight for free expression. She is phenomenal.
  • @jcb9207
    I teach 5th grade in the U.S. and have followed Ms. Birbalsingh's work over the past few years. From first hand experience I can attest that her methods and philosophy of education work. But she doesn't need me to support her claims; she has the Michaela school as evidence. May God protect her from the attacks that will unceasingly come her way.
  • @kap849
    I grew up in Kenya and went to primary and secondary schools in Kenya. In HS, I can tell you that not even the school prefects wanted to bump into the deputy principal. She was so strict that whenever you'd bump into her, you'd start to question your entire existence - ok, a little exaggerated 😂. Very strict school teachers (especially, the deputy principal) is all i knew growing up. 15 years later and I'd absolutely love to buy my HS deputy principal a BIG lunch/dinner. I owe her a lot!
  • This needs to be heard across the entire education system, no matter the country.
  • Katherine should be made the Education Minister for England. Her education policy she be taught throughout to save the young people of Great Britain!
  • @DIBBY40
    "Strictness wrapped in love. When you love them you keep the standards high." Wonderful. Isn't this all obvious?;❤
  • @MsBigjohn123
    Here is the thing she understands. Kids learn very little from other kids. Peer socialization is the quickest route to cultural devolution. Children are primarily socialized by adults who are large and in charge. The second issue is that if a child knows that an adult is too afraid to oppose them, then they know that same adult will not be there to oppose those who would hurt them. Unprotected children become very angry and don’t know where to take that anger. I salute what you are doing it works I know because it’s been my life’s work. 🙌
  • @Teal_Seal
    Low expectations by parents & schools is the main problem in education. Bravo to people like Ms. Singh!
  • This woman is doing God's work - education in the ENTIRE Western world needs to be overhauled to follow her example. That is how we save the West!
  • @samdyson9714
    JB and Birbalsingh should do a regular series together on Raising / Teaching kids. I'd be taking notes!
  • @KennyRTemowo
    I used to work with Katherine, and be a teacher in the UK. I was taught BY Michaela years ago (the teacher who the school is named after). Katherine is the real deal and I commend the success of the school. The piece around standards and excellence, is a powerful one. I also agree with her on teaching knowledge. Whilst I think her view of knowledge as mainly information is a limited one, she’s touching at something profound, without naming it. Namely, the disappearance of moral knowledge. Critical to helping children become adults is knowledge of what constitutes a good person, what it means to live well (not only knowledge of the world wars!). But we shy away from ideas about ‘good/bad’ in schools because we fear ‘moralising’. The politicisation of education (and every other sector of our culture) is a sad affair. I wonder if time will judge Katherine favourably, I hope it does.
  • @jpm4230
    So refreshing to see and listen to an educator with OPEN EYES, founding her statements on truth and common sense, not woke ideologies and victimhood. 👍🏻👍🏻
  • This made me cry. As a zoomer that has grown up in inner city London, I WISH my parents sent me here
  • @megamaze00
    I feel so validated right now. 34:10 I don’t give my kids tons of choice because I’m a stay at home mother to four boys. I literally don’t have time or energy to consider every desire the children want. We are all happier when mom chooses and the day just flows along.
  • @benmarr352
    As a Peterson fan I really enjoyed KB telling him off. He will absorb this and think deeply about it. We should all strive learn from the two of them.
  • @MrTubeuser12
    We desperately need more people like Katharine to help our education system 🙏🙏
  • @ddz1375
    This woman is spot on. Children crave guidance and the comfort of rules. Disipline leads to self discipline. Too much autonomy for a child ruins the child.
  • @james1966.
    Wow. I attended a small one teacher school in country NSW with a very strick teacher. We learnt so much. We put the flag up every morning and sang our national anthem. We marched and did all of the things that worked. I am 58 now and love listening to comment sence.
  • I just can't, she is the only one who managed talking with Jordan AND not letting him to go a stray too much, love her energy!