ZEMO Was Right! (and Would HaveStopped Thanos Too!)

What other villains were right?

That scene where Zemo destroyed all the vials of super soldier serum, such a good and meaningful scene. He doesn't seek power himself, he remained true to his character. That's a really good character development.

When Sam said "He's out of line, but he's right" it perfectly summed up Zemo. 💯

This is why I’ve always loved Marvel Comics… The world isn’t “Black & White” and they recognize the subtleties of “Right & Wrong”, “Good & Bad”, and “Pro & Con”…. Most of the heroes have their own darkness and the villains have their own light.

I've always liked Zemo mostly due to Daniel Brühl's brilliant performance and charisma (yes I've been crushing over him since Inglourious Basterds), but now he's kinda my favorite non-superhero MCU hero? those murky, ambiguous, grey characters who've lost so much and have seen the worst of humanity and yet just want justice, true justice, are the best type of characters.

Zemo is definitely an Anti-villain, not an anti-hero

Very compelling argument. The truth is, Zemo was right, but, the Avengers were also right. Like Obi Wan Kenobi said, "many of the truths we cling to, depend greatly on our own point of view".

Tony: That’s below their pay grade Sam: What pay?

We need more Zemo. Whether he's fighting, killing or dancing.

Also, a conversation between Zemo and Thanos about their views and "solutions" would be interesting. I wonder if they would agree on some things

Zemo is one of my favorite characters in the MCU and my fave villain. He's just so brilliant and always finds a way to basically WIN when you least expect him to. Daniel Bruhl was cast so perfectly for him. Can't go wrong when you hire the world's most talented actor to play your character.

That clip of Mondo saying "The bill comes due, always" makes me think that he and Zemo (the 'two Barons') should team-up. They're both arguably the MCU's most sympathetic villains (even Killmonger, despite having an overall sympathetic agenda, showed little humility or self-reflection during his mission), because both of them are basically opposed to the abuse of power that characterises the franchise's 'heroes'.

I always thought it was weird that the Avengers weren’t given the opportunity to modify or negotiate the Sokovia accords. This is what happens in most treaties, business agreements etc. They were just told to sign. Certain provisions could have provided enough restriction for accountability and enough independence for efficiency.

Zemo: "No one cared who I was until I put on the mask with ridges"

It's not that Zemo is right, it's that Zemo has a really, really good point. Two things that are very close but not exactly the same. Also, I like that he's the only villain that arguably won against the Avengers. He wanted to mess them up internally and boy howdy, he sure did that.

I always had a problem with general Ross lecturing the Avengers. In Incredible Hulk, he gave Blonski the super soldier serum who later became the Abomination. He also confronted Banner on a college campus triggering his transformation without any regard for the civilians present. He called in a gunship for god's sake. Or how about chasing Abomination through Harlem firing a 50 cal through a densely populated city. I'm sure no one died while he blasted away into those apartments while chasing Abomination. Or how about the fact that the world council authorized nuking New York city in the first Avengers movie? The Avengers were never on their own. They worked for Shield. Two shield agents (Widow and Hawkeye) were on the team.

Can we agree that as a character Zemo is being treated extremely unfairly - at least in comparison. He had a traumatic experience when Ultron messed things up in Sokovia. His entire family was extinguished, his country basically destroyed. There was nobody he could turn to and nowhere he could go. He swore to avenge his family and... well, then he went about it. And he was good at it. Yes, he did some pretty messed up shit, but seriously, so did close to everyone who made any sort of difference. We've covered everything from murder to treason. But as soon as there's a desirable result, we simply forget about all of that. Because why hold a grudge, right? And then along comes a young woman who tricks a gangster boss, obtains physical power, creates a rebellion, starts to make things violent, effectively becomes a terrorist. At the same time the "evil mastermind" Zemo is trying to help keep things from escalating. Here's what happens. Sam (to Karli, who just threatened his family): I agree with your fight. Sam (to Zemo who saved his sorry ass twice the past two days): You're going back to prison. Just... 😒 And not just any prison. Zemo goes to the Raft once he successfully helped finish the mission. Like... Wtf?!?!

"when the Avengers created time travel technology the didn't consider asking the UN for approval" - this is actually a HUGE point. They bascially doubled the Earth's population in an instant causing chaos and potentially a global famine. Not to mention having the prospect of fighting Thanos and his army again to ensure victory. Let's also not forget the reprecussions of Hulk's snap will be carried over in the Eternals - what sort of global devastation will this lead to? Could you imagine living in this world as an every day citizen? Facing potential devastation and damage almost every 5 years, how could you plan for the future in a world so chaotic?

Am I the only one who would love to see a Zemo series on Disney+? I wouldn’t even mind if he killed off some comic supersoldier like Warhawk. Kinda just want to see more of Daniel Brühl tbh. What an actor.

Falcon and the winter may not be on a cosmic fighting level compared to wandavision and loki but the writing the message it conveys hits closer, plus zemo is awesome, hope to see more of him someday in mcu