Urban Warfare, Civilian Casualty, & Human Shields | John Spencer | EP 454

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Published 2024-06-10
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with urban warfare expert and scholar John Spencer. They discuss the ongoing war in Israel, the ideology of Hamas, their capture of western universities, the complexity of the tunnel system beneath Gaza, the underlying roots of anti-Semitism, and the reality of war in the mess of politics.

John Spencer is an award-winning scholar, professor, author, combat veteran, national security and military analyst, and internationally recognized expert and advisor on urban warfare, military strategy, tactics, and other related topics. Considered one of the world’s leading experts on urban warfare, he served as an advisor to the top four-star general and other senior leaders in the U.S. Army as part of strategic research groups from the Pentagon to the United States Military Academy.

This episode was recorded on June 4th, 2024

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Understanding Urban Warfare (Book) www.amazon.com/Understanding-Urban-Warfare-Liam-Co…

The Mini-Manual for the Urban Defender (Online guidebook) www.johnspenceronline.com/mini-manual-urbandefende…

Urban Warfare Project (Podcast) podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/urban-warfare-projec…


- Chapters -

(0:00) Coming up
(0:34) Intro
(2:16) Urban warfare explained
(7:47) Problems with fighting out in the open
(13:21) The Gaza conflict: lawfare and hundreds of miles of tunnels
(17:32) The human shield strategy, academic capture
(20:25) Iran is the global exporter of terrorism, why the October 7th invasion failed
(24:30) The general population needs to be prepared to resist; Ukraine
(27:16) Hamas will sacrifice any number of its own people, “Martyrdom is the path”
(29:57) To what degree can you blame the indoctrinated for their actions?
(31:37) Planned propagandization
(34:01) The Israeli strategy, how to differentiate Hamas from the civilians
(37:33) How to know when Hamas has been defeated
(40:22) Optics: how social media became a tool in warfare
(47:17) Mitigating civilian casualty, evacuating cities
(55:08) The 10% who couldn’t leave
(1:00:20) The tunnels are a complex problem
(1:02:15) UN hypocrisy, UNRA in Gaza
(1:05:10) TikTok, how the algorithm aids terror
(1:09:52) All things considered, who is winning the war?
(1:14:05) Where are the Hamas leaders hiding?
(1:16:58) The roots of anti-Semitism, the canary in the coal mine
(1:20:21) The Abraham Accords still stand
(1:22:17) War is politics: perception and reality
(1:30:37) Are people swayed by evidence? The psychology of ideology



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All Comments (21)
  • @JohnsJohnson336
    This is the best conversation on what’s going on in Gaza I’ve seen since the war began. John Spencer is extremely impressive and has extensive knowledge through study and experience.
  • I wish this was longer! So good to hear someone so well informed in the situation. The world, the west in particular needs to watch this.
  • @janebarclay1007
    One of the best analysis of the war I have heard! Thank you Jordan Peterson for having John Spencer on!!!
  • @yousocurrazy
    Finally someone with an actual professional and technical knowledge to analyze this war. Thank you for sharing
  • @joujou_official
    Thank you Mr Peterson for choosing subjects most people are afraid of even talking about 🙏
  • @avigassin6647
    This conversation is a pure gold asset , thank you Jordan for making it happen ❤
  • @AlonElishkov
    Jordan and John, Humanity, reason and everything thats decent in this world thank you on this day🙏
  • @austin19021
    John Spencer is brilliant and actually someone who is more than qualified to speak on exactly this
  • @annieparker9102
    This was an awesome interview, I learnt so much, guests like this, who just speak truth and facts are the greatest teachers. Thank you Jordan, for asking the questions we want answered.
  • @ruthy4203
    The best conversation that I have heard on war in gaza. Informative
  • Mr. John Spencer, as a non-Jew from Hungary: Sir, I❤ Your books ,Your calm manner, Your polite talking,Your 100% Professional work.🫡💯🙏🏻💪🏻G-D Bless You Sir&Family and Thank You for Your Service!🫡🙏🏻💪🏻🛠🌎
  • @Tobeymctoo
    I'm from israel that was a very constructive discussion. Thank you🇮🇱🇺🇲!
  • @Venator1230
    This guest had me running on all cylinders the entire time. Thank you Mr. Spencer and Dr. Peterson. Please have him back soon.
  • @zevgeffen7116
    Must watch. This interview says it all. Thank you both!
  • @brianoakes70255
    John Spencer seems excited talking to a man with enough intelligence to understand enough to ask questions most of us don't understand. Both parties are excited to chat with one another
  • @ordro107
    As an Israeli terror survivor - thank you Jordan. Your existence makes it easier to believe in a good future with peace and prosperity for all
  • @bikeracerdude
    When Dr. Peterson speaks, the world's smartest people listen to him and his guests.
  • @--LZ---
    As an israeli, this was the best discussion I've heard in English about this subject. Jordan, I'm a long time listener and student (started watching your videos around 2014 I think) and you've done a great deal to help me understand myself, the world and other people living in it. Thank you very much, I dont expect less from you or your guests. I hope in 10 years I'll be able to say the same again :)