4.5 - Visions Are Useless to Humans and Dont Make Sense, Revisiting Visions | Genshin lore & Theory

I'm convinced that Celestia is essentially farming humans for ambition. Anyone that ascends isn't welcomed as a new god, but instead has reached maturity and is being cultivated. Vennessa's apparent fear in Celestia would be an indication of this, as well as her subsequent flight. If the sky is a lie, why wouldn't we question those who supposedly created it?

What about Yokai, Illuminated Beasts, and Puppets that get visions. We saw that Scara could ascend to godhood.

We also know of a couple of humans who learned how to use elemental magic even before they got their Visions, namely Mona and Yelan (at least), to say nothing of the Akademiya having an entire school about manipulating the elements. Heck, pretty much anyone can use magical alchemy, which was the point of the recent potion shop event.

Okay hear me out: Paimon is seven visions in a trenchcoat and that’s why the traveler can use the elements without a vision

Visions are a way that Celestia found, to help speed up the healing process of the Primordial One's wound. It recycle people's wishes, desires and beliefs into energy that can be absorbed by the usurper. Bypassing the need to be directly worshiped, which is the default way of how a god gets most of their power, in turn also helping with regeneration.

Heizou is also a example of someone who found a random rock for it to turn into a vision, when fishing with his now dead freind

18:29 I do no believe just any vision wielder can use waypoints. We already know that Shinobu and Itto came to Liyue by boat in the beetle event, and in the Sumeru archon quest, we can open the map when we're in the Nilou point of view and the map has zero waypoints on it during that part of the story. Yeah, it could just be that they don't want you to teleport away in the middle of the story, but when paired with how we know other characters actually travel places rather than teleport, it makes it seem more like that was also showing us that Nilou is not able to use waypoints. If I am missing some key information that proves vision wielders can use waypoints, please tell me, but until then, I'm pretty sure it's just the traveler who can use waypoints.

I noticed that the person on the throne sending the princess and prince off to get the Genesis Pearl in the Gnostic Chorus story intro has an insanely similar color palette to Paimon, you can see it for yourself by color picking from each character and comparing them side by side

22:46 figuring out why someone has a vision is one of the trickiest parts of making a Genshin OC, that’s why I’ve only made two ocs. My self-insert OC’s reason for having a vision was at first because the gods seemed to pity her after she was cursed, but later I decided the real reason was that she dedicated herself to bearing the cursed item so it wouldn’t hurt anyone else, and this desire to protect others is why the gods gave her a Vision, except she doesn’t quite understand that so she still thinks it’s the pity option

Also, in the beginning of the game when you first align with Anemo Element. MC says "Thats not good" to obtaining it. Major hint probably.

I wonder if the masterless vision Ningguang found was always a Liyue vision, since all of them have different shapes.

Eh... if you know about the quote in that dev interview about "humans have a higher purpose than Adepti in the world of Teyvat" then you should also have mentioned the next part of the sentence, which as I recall, says basically that humans can't become Adepti, and doesn't that contradict much of what you're suggesting in the first 6 minutes? If humans cannot cultivate and reach some sort of state in the way the Adepti do? Nor is the Traveler an Adeptus. Also later you conflate "have a higher purpose" with "serve a higher purpose". I'm not sure why there are so many theories based around the concept that "the gods" need to bug people so as to spy on them. We never get any hint in the game that any such thing is going on, or that gods lack knowledge of the lives of ordinary people. While there is the description of fixed fate events as "where the gods gaze falls" and some flowery language by Dainsleif about how Khaenri'ah was outside of the gods' gaze, or the Dark Sea, nobody really thinks that eg the Unknown God was unable to see what Khaenri'ah was up to. or else why do they apparently react to it? We're told Celestia is asleep for 500 years let alone spying on people, still less that they need bits of metal and crystal to spy through. Generally in stories like this gods just know all the stuff they need to know (which is what Dainsleif says of himself and he's not even a god), and don't know the stuff they don't need to know for plot purposes. So for example for plot purposes Venti knows and doesn't know about stuff going on in Mondstadt, and Ei does and doesn't know about stuff going on in Inazuma. Nahida more specifically says she can enter people's minds and read their thoughts and memories. And she also says she can read Irminsul which contains everyone's memories of the past. Why would she need to use people's Visions to spy on them? And are the far higher gods of Celestia weaker than Nahida? Zhongli notes that Azhdaha's avatar can read the memories of rocks and stones and this is a rare ability. So can't Zhongli do that? Why would he need a Vision to spy on people if every stone and rock is a video camera recording everything for someone like Zhongli? Getting back to the humans practicing cultivation but not ever able to become an adeptus thing -- there's no actual example of humans having elemental power without some artificial reason is there? Whether it's a Vision, a Delusion, the Emerites with their magical weapons, the Hilichurls and other Neohumans with their (I assume) power to absorb lower tier energy using Abyssal energy, or the Twins (I assume) power to absorb lower tier energy using Celestial energy, Not even the sufferers from Eleazar who it is said had too much elemental energy in their bodies, had a way to discharge that energy. Nor does René who makes the claim about avoiding Visions, provide his followers or himself with any other way to use the 7 great elements, short of becoming a Neohuman. That's not to say humans don't command other powers without a Vision including alchemy, sorcery, thaumaturgy and astrology, nor does it rule out some unique cases like Signora (although arguably there wasn't much left of her humanity after she devolves into a sort of living flame). I'm just not seeing the human elemental users who gain their powers merely though cultivation. All the human Adeptal disciples (Shenhe, Yaoyao etc) have Visions. They aren't able to become real Adepti but nobody says they need to throw away their Visions so far as we know. I don't think Kazuha had two Visions. His dead friend is the one with the ambition to try and stop the Shogun's blade, not Kazuha. Presumably his dead friend is the one who has the Vision that belongs to him, and he comes back to life in some sense, for a few seconds, to achieve that goal. Not sure why you think Hydro Visions are only given as a reward for hardwork instead of for ambition like all the other six elements. You already admitted Neuvillette doesn't even know about the process' workings so how could he know if the people he gives Visions to have worked hard? it's not up to him. Nor can he customize Visions for the same reasoning - he isn't even aware the process is going on, so on what basis could he possibly customize? We don't know that Electro Visions ever started back up again. We are not told that it's Celestia that has to deem someone "worthy" nor are we told that allogenes have to be "worthy" at all. In fact we're told Celestia is asleep, so how are they able to judge someone worthy? Not sure why you (and I've heard it before) think that for an old Vision to be reused the ambition of the new allogene has to align with that of the old allogene. What evidence is there for that? The only time someone gets a Vision from an old one (Mona, Ningguang) we are told nothing of their prior allogene or their ambitions. Do you think Barbeloth is an allogene and gives her Vision to Mona? That's not even possible normally as Keqing for example tries to get rid of her Vision. I don't think you can just hand them off. Even if you did want to. We're not told if there's some special process involved in taking Visions in Inazuma but there might be some reason they have to stick them in a silly statue for example. There's also no reason to think that using a masterless Vision gets you a Vision faster than it would have happened anyway. Here's the full quote from the dev interview which makes very clear humans cannot become Adepti. "The adepti are based on the idea of demigod-like "immortals" (仙人 xianren) in Daoism, and are referred to by the honorific title "sanyan wuxian" (三眼五显), literally "three eyes and five manifestations" (but localized in English as "mighty and illuminated"). The adepti are classed as non-human, based on the notion that "All who have nine orifices can achieve immortality through self-discipline," a line uttered by the "Monkey King" Sun Wukong in the Ming-dynasty novel Journey to the West. This means that animals are also capable of achieving adeptus status. However, humans have a higher purpose than adepti in the world of Teyvat, so for this reason, only those of non-human status can be referred to as "adepti" in Liyue." So there are no humans who can use the elements merely by cultivating. OTOH even a creature as pitiful as a Hilichurl Shaman who used to be a human can use the elements. Do Hilichurls cultivate? No. They are Neohumans though. So cultivation does not lead to elemental use in humans by neohumanism does. ---------------------------------------------- I had a theory about Visions being a block on human development and something that holds them back from the true path etc etc, back years ago and compared it to the way torcs work in Many Colored Land but -- the Devs went another way in the end.

I don't think we've seen any humans in Teyvat cultivating according to internal alchemy without a Vision. Jiang Xue is a great example of a mysterious master without a vision but yes he did have one. One would think cultivating is not possible or maybe dangerous because of humans capable of consuming only the watered-down elemental power (according to sangocorex description) because of their outworldly origin. Yes, there is also Rene... but he's an oceanid essentially.

I was specting La Signora to be mentioned, since she was a human that could control the elements without a vision 🤔

If you think the humans can win against the abyss or celestia without elemental power , your high asf

Nice video! Questioning the "obvious and established truths" of Genshin seems to be the way, in my opinion - as pretty much everyone that taught us these "facts" is unreliable to say the best (or is outright deceptively messing with us, to say the worst)...: We could have an actual timeline without many holes in it if just Rex Lapis or Venti decided to tell us the actual, entire truth! Nahida and Neuvillette are the only ones willing to tell us everything that they know... but then their knowledge is severely limited to their circunstances! Even the Knave seems to be taking us for a spin of deception and half truths after seeming cooperative, so questioning the simple "facts" if Teyvat's "reality", like visions and humanity's existance sounds more than a-ok.

and then there's Yae Miko of whom we don't even know if her Vision is real or not, considering she's a Youkai that's a familiar to the Electro Archon, and her Vision Story leaves it VERY vague in typical Yae-fashion if it's real or not...

It could simply be that Kazuha facing Raiden's blade head on just meant that the wish was fulfilled, or that he only cared for it momentarily because it was the direct way to save the traveller, but the spark of the original wish was still there so the vision ignited for a second. I don't think he's any less inclined to do it from that point onwards, but he's just not aiming to.

Visions are def a curious topic

I keep thinking of Sovereign from the first Mass Effect and something he said: " Your civilization is based on [the technology of the mass relays], our technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths we desire." Swap "the technology of the mass relays" for Visions. I strongly suspect that this may be one factor for why visions are granted. By using a vision, a being relies on the portion of Sovereign Authority they've been granted by Celestia rather than their own ability to cultivate elemental affinity. They are assigned a singular element, and they identify a specific with or ambition that tends to guide their entire life moving forward. The vision is tied to a constellation, and their future is now bound to the fate within that constellation. I think that these visions are given to those who, unguided, would be capable of developing in unexpected ways in order to reign them into the design that the Heavenly principles have made and also curb the development of omni-elemental beings. I also suspect, but do not have sufficient evidence for the theory that constellations may even become recycled over generations as people die and their memories are collected via the ley lines and gathered within Irminsul. Perhaps a singular constellation becomes reinforced over time as a person is granted that vision and the constellation bound to it, they accumulate memories according to the fate they've been assigned, and then when they die the memories are collected and go into Irminsul and feed the fruits of that constellation (for the stars in the Firmament are the fruits of irmunsul). As more people over generations awaken that constellation and follow its fate, their memories of that fate reinforce the strength of the fate of that constellation. It would go a good way to explaining the cyclical nature of the history of Teyvat.