The Transgender Revolution with Helen Joyce [S2 Ep.30]

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Published 2021-09-24
Welcome to another episode of conversations with Coleman.

My guest today is Helen Joyce. Helen is a staff journalist at the Economist magazine, and has been an editor there since 2005. She also has a PhD in mathematics from University College London. Helen just released a controversial new book called "Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality." Now, this is one of those books that is likely to be misrepresented on Twitter and in some media as transphobic but is in fact a deep and thoughtful attempt to navigate all the complex issues at the intersection of gender identity and public policy.

Helen and I discussed the difference between gender and sex, evolving definitions of gender, the different waves of feminism, gender dysphoria and related phenomenon like autogynephilia, trans identity as well as gender neutrality. We talk about hormone treatments, puberty blockers, detransitioning, and the age at which people should be able to make these kinds of decisions. We discuss gender pronouns, the logic of sex-segregated spaces, such as locker rooms, bathrooms, sports, and prisons. And finally, we talk about the phenomenon of social contagion as it applies to gender identities.

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All Comments (21)
  • @Kelly-uo1ge
    Having just gotten "reported" at my job for daring to speak of some of this, from this perspective, this conversation is a balm to my soul.
  • I’m nearly eighty and when I was growing up ‘gender’ was simply a euphemism for ‘sex’. It was used in preference by people who found the word ‘sex’ too embarrassing to say.
  • @HellCatt0770
    Helen Joyce is awesome. She sees straight through Gender Ideology nonsense
  • Thanks so much for this to ye both. Helen Joyce I cannot thank you enough, your book has literally saved my family from chaos and trauma. I am a Irish mom and our 17 year old son who suddenly "identified" as trans recently and the most challenging part was trying to get any information outside the ideology which seems to be taking over our world somewhat. Your book has helped my family in so many ways 💚💚💚
  • @Ramiiam
    She is right. The failure to honor truth in our conversation over things like pronouns has led to madness.
  • @55:22 I appreciate that he was honest when he said he never really questioned why we separate these spaces in the first place. Why we have separate, sex-protected spaces is always understood by women, and little girls from young ages. We know why we need these spaces. I think a huge reason this ideology and movement has taken off is due to (especially those in power) men's different experiences and not really having to think about why women especially should have their own spaces. I can't remember who said it.... In fact it may have been Helen herself! But there's a great quote, something like "women are always being confronted with their animal natures" (really loosely quoting her), that is- blood, periods, pregnancy, miscarriage, abortion, nursing, menopause etc. We are always going through different stages as women. Men live their lives more or less the same until they're maybe 50s or so. Women..and girls, from the time they're around 10-12 years old, we're always going through cycles. I think that's why it's much more difficult for fully grown adult women to buy this ideology, and why it's primarily teenage girls, college ages, and men of all ages. Women who've lived a fair amount of time as a grown woman is far less susceptible to the idea that "woman" = anything other than a female human being, and/or the idea that women shouldn't have their own spaces anymore.
  • @nbwall56
    I am 65 years old and this is the most informative conversation I have ever heard. I salute both of you for adding so much to my understanding of a complex human struggle the west is having.
  • @neildunford241
    Wow, straight to the big guns - what a knowledgeable, eloquent & sensitive speaker.
  • Glad you’re giving a voice to the blacklisted and cancelled. Those who lost voices need them back.
  • @GeekOwtLowd
    With the prison issue. One thing that is happening, is that male criminals who are pedophiles and rapists are now tending to try for women's prisons, because they know that male prisoners often mercilessly beat and even kill the pedophiles and rapists. So, not only are rapists incentivized to identity as women to satisfy their morbid predatory inclinations, but they also are strongly incentivized to do so for their own safety. We are LITERALLY putting the safety of rapists, murderers and pedophiles over the safety of female prisoners, many of whom are non-violent drug offenders, addicts, sex workers, etc... who VERY often have been victims of sexual assault and rape in the past.
  • @stanh24
    I started out thinking, “Oh yeah, another person I’ve not heard of, with an opinion and a book.” I persevered, and wow, she’s produced a very worthwhile critique of the phenomenon. I’m not anti-trans by any means, but I’m skeptical, to say the least, of the indoctrination and medicating of children. Great interview, Coleman and Helen!
  • @pdxlasher
    From early on when trans activism was really getting big, I knew there were things about it that I couldn't reconcile with. This year, I've discovered voices like Helen Joyce, Dr. Stock, and Blair White, and I've discovered that there have been people out in the world giving voice to all that I have been so afraid to express publicly. Even just stating that a trans man is a biological woman will get you banned off of social media for "hateful content." It's gotten so out of control.
  • @SkeletonModel91
    We are stuck in a kind of “the emperor has no clothes” moment.
  • @JCT1926
    She is the most eloquent speaker I've heard on this topic. Very formidable but kind.
  • @RB-jl2qb
    Fantastic interview. Helen is a voice of reason in what is becoming a world of delusion, increased irrationality and authoritarianism.
  • The silencing of British writers and academics on this issue is a disgrace. See also Kathleen Stock's book, 'Material Girls: Why Reality Matters for Feminism. The BBC's flagship 'feminist' (ahem!) radio programme, Woman's Hour, refuses to interview Helen Joyce and some shop assistants at Waterstones bookshops refuse to sell Stock's book. The ceeping authoritarianism of the transactivist lobby is truly alarming. It's pretty obviouse that they want to shut down debate, because they know they'd lose. They can't handle the truth!
  • @Appleblade
    I love it when I stumble on someone who can think clearly on confusing issues. Helen Joyce... very nice!
  • @briannab4770
    I'm trans. I love her. This was absolutely fascinating. A lot of people talk about trans stuff and I find it offensive because you can tell that they are charged with hatred and disgust, even if quietly (and honestly, given the recent groundswell of transgender ideology, it's to be expected), but you can tell that this lovely woman is putting her foot down, but still remaining compassionate and flexible - which is HARD to do when the world is hurling hate at you for doing so. I hope the world wraps this woman in a love that deflects the pelting from zealots. I hope one day, the world can accept me for who I am, without the resistance. I just want us to live peacefully.