The Dagor Dagorath - Tolkien's Apocalypse | The Silmarillion Explained

What is your favorite moment from the Dagor Dagorath? And do you think Sauron could be resurrected for the Final Battle?

I love the fact that even though Tolkien is the creator of this majestic world, he spoke as he was not sure or he did not know about some things in his own world, as he is in fact living middle earth as some of his characters. Leaving things into the unknown.

Dude the dwarves have the most epic and heartbreaking story! They start out as an unplanned child doomed to conflict with Eru’s true children. They establish their people and culture with great pride, dignity and love. Time and time again they loose their homes and herritage to the great evils of the world. Gundabad, Khazad dum, Erebor… all to finally be accepted as children of Eluvatar and take part in the great song of all creation

After the defeat of Sauron, when Treebeard asks Galadriel if they will meet again she says, "Not in Middle-earth, nor until the lands that lie under the wave are lifted up again.". It makes you wonder if Arda Unmarred with see the return of Beleriand.

If I'm not mistaken Tolkien said that after the One Ring was destroyed, Sauron got reduced to a mere shadow of malevolence, never to rise to power again, and that his spirit would eventually join his master in the Void beyond the Door of Night. If so, Sauron is by Melkor's side when he breaches the doors and return to the world. So yeah, Sauron returns with Melkor in the Dagor Dagorath.

I love the fact that in a sense the redemption of both Elves and Men is embodied in the figures of Dagor Dagorath. Turin, representing all of the struggles and repeated falling to temptation of Men, is the one who kills the representation of the Evil that had plagued them. And Feanor, representing the pride and possessiveness of Elves that put their craft and might before the world, at long last is humbled and surrenders their greatest creation and woe.

Even though Tolkien abandoned it, the story still has great potential especially when it involves Turin being the one to slay Morgoth

Imagine Feanor, Fingolfin, Ecthelion of the Fountain, Glorfindel, Maedhros, Thingol, Fingon, Turgon... All fighting in this together. So OP

The dwarves are accepted to the children of iluvatar and second music of ainur begins.... middle earth stories just gives so many feelings and I cant live without it

Even though Tolkien later abandoned the Dagor Dagorath concept I still think it's fascinating he was contemplating a final justice for not only Hurin's line but all of Eru's Children. It was fitting that Turin would be the One allowed by Eru to slay Morgoth once and for all.

I love that you looked at not only what Tolkein wrote/intended, but also extended it to what the characters within the works think. It really goes to show how much life there is within Tolkein's works.

I love the Dagor Dagorath so much. The fading of the elves and dwarves and the ultimate separation of the Children of Illúvatar in death has always been so deeply sad to me, so the thought that one day, old villains from all races can be redeemed and all the Children will come together once more and help in the remaking of the world is a beautiful ray of hope in this sad story. And it also means that Finrod was ultimately right and even wiser than he seemed, and that just makes me happy.

Okay, seriously. Your balanced approach to the Legendarium, realizing the need to talk about all of the various writings without being afraid of uncertainty or not having a final answer, it is a quality that more folks who read the deeper lore need to emulate. Absolutely fantastic, thank you!

Hell yeah Turin, it's so fitting that he can redeem himself of his past deeds, and get revenge for the suffering of his family, by taking down Morgoth. Also love how Feanor has to humble himself enough to break his silmarils apart, basically unmaking his very soul. Although I will argue with you on the statement that Feanor was in Mandos longer than any other Elf. This assumes Finwe chose to be reimbodied, but what if he dwelled there still? And what about all the Teleri and Noldor who died at the First Kinslaying? Maybe they still dwell there. I'd rather state that Feanor was forced to be there the longest. Just speculation of course!

I love the idea that the race of men’s place is actually after death and that’s why they’re “gifted” with mortality while the elves live forever

You forgot to mention about Ar Pharazon and the Numenorean armament trapped in Valinor being part of the Dagon Dagorath

I have always believed that men will come back to fight in the Dagor Dagorath, because of this line from the Akallabêth in the Silmarillion: 'But Ar-Pharazôn the King and his mortal warriors that had set foot upon the land of Aman were buried under the falling hills; there it is said that they lie imprisoned in the Caves of the Forgotten, until the Last Battle amd the Day of Doom.' My question is, will the Númenóreans fight at last for Morgoth, their God or redeem themselves and fight for the Valar? It will be really cool to see the full might of Men and Elves against the forces of Morgoth upon Valinor itself!

It’s interesting to note that all the Balrogs that are relevant to the story were killed by Elves (Durin’s Bane being slain by Gandalf) while all the names Dragons were killed by Men.

The fact the author made the beginning and the end is amazing

Man Turin dealing the final blow to Morgoth gives me so much chills, almost brings tears to eye.