Why Palpatine said Vader was Bad For the Rule of 2 Sith - Star Wars Explained

Palpatine's greatest mistake was lying to Vader by telling Vader he had killed Padme. With the lie, Vader stopped being a Sith Lord and become a monster of the dark side. A Sith Lords to be a master of the force and all those around him or her, to break away their chains. In a way a Sith Lord seeks to be a tyrant to all others to be freedom for him or herself. Believing he killed Padme, Vader turned all his rage into himself. This is was truly twisted him from a monster that could not be reasoned with. In a form of mental self-flagellation he believed he should suffer as greatly as possible, and because he suffered, everyone around him should suffer. This is why he did not upgrade his cybernetics, or seek to heal his body. Vader can to view unrestrained pain and rage as the pure expressions of the darkside. Where as a Sith Lord views passion and power in measured by one's skill in the darkside as the pure expression of the darkside. Vader believe in piling more mental chains on himself, where a Sith Lord would seek to break all their chain, both physical and mental. This is why when Vader found out the truth about Luke, he started to stop hating himself because he realized that Palpatine had lied to him. Though, while much of Vader's rage had diminished some, with that rage replaced with near fanatic zeal to capture his son. Combined with two decades of bad habits, no one realize noticed the change under the armor. This is why he spared the imperial officer at the end of Empire Strikes Back, after Luke, Leia, and others escaped Cloud City. Vader was running on desperation and was to emotionally drained to feel like killing one. Also, it was clear through the Empire Strike Back, Vader was killing his officers out of more sadistic humor, than anger.

No one was worse for the rule of 2 than Sidious since he planned on letting the sith die out with him and never allow anyone to become the new master.

Anakin was a poor Jedi and a poor Sith because he was born to become something more than either. He wasn’t cut out to toe the line.

For Sidious, people were the means, and power was the end. For Vader/Anakin, power was the means, and people were the end.

I would love to see a duel between Darth Vader and Darth Malgus, two armored Sith Juggernauts and veteran Jedi killers

This all feels like a result of Palpatine's method of corrupting Anakin. In the end technically Anakin only really desired the power to bring back Padme, not the power to dominate like a Sith. Palpatine failed to get that spark burning for Vader. He never really motivated Vader to be more. This probably even was intentional because Palpatine sought to become the sole ruler of the galaxy. Him establishing his rule of one only encourages this. Palpatine himself never knew or trained his apprentices to replace him as he wanted to stay on forever.

Talk about Vergere. She is criminally underrated.

I've always found Palpatine's so-called disappointment with Vader to be hypocritical. If it wasn't for Vader, Windu would've killed him in his own office. And even though he survived the encounter, he was all messed up, from his own power being reflected back at him lol. I'd also like to know how much time Palpatine actually spent training Vader. Between running a Galactic Empire, hunting down surviving Jedi and dealing with a full-blown rebellion, when would they have had the time? Not to mention, Palpatine doesn't have the best track record when it comes to apprentices. Maul bisected...Dooku beheaded, Vader put into a robotic iron lung for the rest of his life just to survive. If anything, Palpatine was the weak link in the thousand-year-old chain Bane created.

He was a great darksider but a lousy Sith. Sidious is partly to blame for not teaching Vader more.

Vader was a slave just as Anakin before him. He could never escape it like a true Sith should

It's interesting that the Jedi couldn't help Anakin deal with his emotions of grief and fear of loss any more than Sidious and the Sith could help Vader when that loss and grief eventually came to pass. Both institutions failed Anakin, and as a result he ends up toppling both of them.

Anakin was basically a force god , his potential was unimaginable........ But once he got ginsu'd by a treasonous space hippy , he kinda went stagnant . With his potential and the dark side , he should've been powerful enough to bully Aboloth ..... Instead he was a lacky for a Politician from Naboo .

This seems to be failure on Sidious's part as a Master and him failing ignite a true Sith desire in Vader.

This guy does not run out of ideas lol

Vader was more of an enraged fallen Jedi than sith. Being redeemed shows Anakin's love for those he cared for, his hatred of his enemies made him a monster. Fear as Yoda said was Vader's greatest enemy.

I would say the problem was how the Emperor brought Vader over to the Darkside. Other Sith turned to grow their own power in order to dominate. Vader didn’t. His goal was to have his wife and his unborn child/children in his life. To keep them safe. When he duels Kenobi his mindset is correct for the Sith but he hasn’t been tempered. The death of his love and children removes his motivation. Once Luke is introduced the motivation comes back immediately. The Emperor assumed he could control and motivate Vader with the same things that drove him. This is foolish. It would have been better to take a different tact: use Vader’s own mindset to push him. For example: a lack of control could have killed Luke or Leia. Vader showed that control when he felt it necessary. Palpatine should have put Vader in situations where control was the way forward. He should have appealed to Vader’s pride.

Adding another comment. To serve a compelling story, Anakin had to remain torn between light and dark. If he strayed too far in the darkness, then Luke would have never been able to defeat the Emperor! I am grateful for excellent story telling to give us this epic journey 🙌 🙏

I think that, if Vader had fulfilled Palpatine's expectations, he might have exceeded even Valkorion in terms of power and ruthlessness. Fortunately, however, the Lightside restoration aspect of the Force's Chosen One prophecy came true.

It's interesting to note that although sidious HATED bane, he embodied what bane believed it was to be a sith. If vader would have internalized more, it's truly interesting how much more powerful hed become....he already had learned dark healing, he just lacked the ability to maintain it for long. If he had more internalized rage and hate, who knows what would have happened?

Sideous is never satisfied with anything he orders peoples death for being to powerful he employs savage animals and yet berates them for being savage animals he is upset vader doesn't try to over throw him but has plans for when vader tries to over throw him