Polyvagal theory & nervous system safety for dizziness & pain recovery: interview w/ Tanner Murtagh

Published 2023-09-10
I am so pleased to welcome Tanner Murtagh, MSW, RSW to my channel to give us a crash course on polyvagal theory and nervous system safety. Tanner is the director of Pain Psychotherapy Canada and specializes in helping people recover from chronic physical symptoms like pain, dizziness, fatigue, digestive issues and more. In this interview, we dive into why "messages of safety" are such a common refrain in healing from chronic neural circuit disorders. Even more importantly, we discuss why so many of you don't believe yourselves when you try to tell yourself you're safe. Tanner gives us a breakdown of how to start noticing and shifting your nervous system states, an essential component of healing from chronic dizziness.

Learn more about Tanner and find out more information on polyvagal theory, calming your nervous system and more tools for chronic pain, dizziness and other symptoms on his YouTube channel, ‪@painpsychotherapy‬

You can also visit Tanner's practice's website: www.painpsychotherapy.ca/

Learn more about me and my work on my website at thesteadycoach.com/
Take my course, Healing Chronic Dizziness, entirely for free at thesteadycoach.com/free-course

00:00:00 Intro and about Tanner
00:03:49 The types of symptoms & diagnoses Tanner sees in his work
00:07:07 The more symptoms you have, the more likely it is that it's a neural circuit issue
00:09:17 Why fear of the symptoms and avoidance doesn't fully explain chronic symptoms
00:11:01 Story follows nervous system state
00:15:00 Why you don't believe yourself when you say "I'm safe"
00:19:40 A nervous system that is "dysregulated" means a nervous system that isn't flexible!
00:22:50 We are NOT meant to always be calm
00:24:00 How an inflexible nervous system causes physical symptoms
00:28:00 Polyvagal theory and neuroception
00:31:43 The three subsystems in your autonomic (automatic) nervous system
00:34:45 How our lifestyles and strategies like perfectionism affect our nervous systems
00:40:52 People are not always aware of their nervous systems states
00:48:17 How to start - build awareness of your nervous system states
00:52:48 Building resources to shift from state to state
00:54:37 Ventral-vagal anchors
01:01:13 What if you never feel safe?
01:06:27 Why people sometimes feel more anxiety and activation when recovering
01:10:40 What a daily routine looks like and what to expect with symptoms
01:15:15 How this ties in with emotional awareness and expression
01:19:24 Message of hope for people with dizziness using these methods

DISCLAIMER: Please note that Yonit Arthur, The Steady Coach and any of our other guests are not acting as an audiologist nor offering audiology or medical services services or advice on any public videos or on any other content. This channel provides wellness education and personal opinion only, and are not meant to be a substitute for medical or mental health instruction or intervention. Use any tools discussed at your own risk.

All Comments (21)
  • @treytooon
    This was great! I’m coming out of 9 months of constant dizziness after having post-covid vestibular neuritis. I’ve noticed as I have started to recover, the anxiety and panic has increased. This was so counterintuitive to me before watching this discussion. I have, however, noticed this starting to be less frequent. I thought my life was essentially over earlier this year. There is hope!
  • @westysutube
    Fannnnnntastic!!!! Was better for me than many of the other interviews. This is the exact kind of information my mind has needed to hear. Thanks SO much for the large variety of professionals you interview for all of us.
  • Thank you for the video, Yonit. So nice to see your channel growing. The wobly folks are in good hands 😀
  • @rachelk5272
    Tanner I just found a Qi Gong class near me a couple of weeks ago and it’s amazing I love it!!! I’m so thankful to find something I really like
  • @tobiewilliams7813
    This is an awesome interview. It explains so much of what I've been doing and dealing with for even longer than the 9+ years that I've been dealing specifically with the dizziness. Great information.
  • @paintedtorso
    Think visualizing a safe place is helpful and i also think taking action when necessary is vital when in a constant survival state. This is so challenging as for me, it means leaving a 20 year marriage. This is my only option, this is slowly killing me from the onside out every single day. Im holding on to the beauty i see on the other side of this pain. The dizziness is debilitating and i must take action.
  • @vanhammersley
    What a great podcast (and an awesome resource this channel is!). He really explained the Polyvagal theory very well, and makes total sense in relation to PPPD. This really rang true to my experience, as "now" I'm aware of that moment my system became dis-regulated back in July/Aug of 2022, and what my system was probably doing. I had a minor shoulder injury (and was also a bit stressed personally at the time), and got crazy anxious after injury/couldn't figure out why it was still hurting after a week, etc. That manifested into a panic attacks, spinning vertigo (first time ever), lots of tests (MRI, VNG, carotid scan, etc), feeling fully on dizziness...then finally getting diagnosed with PPPD by an ophthalmologist in Nov 2022. My stress bucked was packed FULL and overflowed, evidently. I'm still not out of the woods with PPPD, but I do have my "good days in Ventral Vegal", and I'll take them. It's this channel, and videos like this, that really have helped me understand what I've been dealing with and continue to deal with, how to cope with them, and know that I'm not broken and am safe. I just keep doing the work...even with occasional setbacks, I'm still progressing. Thank you!
  • @user-tr5gw4ky8e
    The Way Out (book) really helps simplify all of this. Thanks for recommending. All these sensations are safe. No need to get rid of them!
  • @shandymonte
    Omg! I burst out into laughter when he said “I’m an angry cleaner” SAME!!!!!! Every time I would get angry I would start to aggressively clean my house. Wow. I just figured it was a good way of getting the anger out. I’ve been using polyvagal theory and regulating my nervous system for MONTHS now. Although I’ve made some improvements I’m still very symptomatic and limited in my daily life. What could I be missing? I wish I could solve this puzzle already! It’s been a year and I definitely want to get back to my life!
  • Omg this is the greatest message I have ever heard thank you MrTanner and thank to you most of all
  • @enchantinglysimple
    Wow this was amazing for me to listen to. I feel like it's another piece of the puzzle for my healing I have been needing. The emotions it brought to my attention were ones I have been needing to experience that I didn't realize were there. So much love and thanks to both of you ❤ -Sarah
  • @rachelfritz8249
    I look forward to your videos every week! Another excellent discussion which I connected with so much! Thanks to both of you 😊
  • @zeusthegreek4664
    Thank you so very much. I am so glad I found your channel. God bless you❤
  • @tiffanytaylor4472
    I had so many breakthroughs watching this video- the most valuable one I have watched this past year! Thank you!
  • @micheleboal254
    Really interesting, puts everything into simple terms, especially 3 steps in nervous system
  • @jbjobe
    Thank you ! I follow both channels and appreciate the work you do.❤
  • @emmeylouise5241
    Great video. I always love the new videos and different ways of explaining it. I do tend to re watch my favourite ones though especially when i have to go out i keep an ear pod in trying to just remind myself i can do it and not to react to much 😊 recently had about 2 days of feeling relatively no dizziness apart from here and there when i snapped myself out of it by just thinkig "nope" today in a set back though as been feeling very depersonalised and dizzy again but onwards and upwards! ❤