My worst Warhammer Experience

Published 2024-04-13
Have you noticed that Warhammer models are getting more and more detailed, this phenomenon is either called Scale creep or Detail creep and one usually affects the other, and it's causing anguish amongst painters...us in particular as well, we discuss some solutions for this in this video.

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All Comments (21)
  • @DasVadderr
    Almost every single terrain-builder video out there: You want your terrain to look good, but not to outshine your minis because they´re the stars of the show...
  • @speaktome4778
    🤔 Pretty sure there's a scene in The Inferno where Dante walks past souls damned to paint GW terrain to Golden Demon standards for all eternity without using airbrushes, washes, or contrast paints and most are still working on their first piece. I'm with you on the separate detail sprues! They make plenty of fiddly bits for the minis so why not terrain too? Great idea!
  • @whaleudder8453
    Sold my GSC army because it was too detailed to paint. Got Drukhari which look like they have a ton of detail but it’s mostly tricks the sculptors have used to make it look that way without making them suck to paint. They have been a very enjoyable army to paint.
  • @paladinslash4721
    Painting Battletech miniatures has been such a breath of fresh air. All you have to do is block in the primary and secondary colors of a mech, the cockpit glass, and all the metal details such as weapons, jump jets, and actuators.
  • I'd bloody love if GW did this. They could even sell the greebles sprue separately and it'd sell like hot cakes.
  • @joshthompson3523
    Definitely with you on keeping the details on a separate sprue. It solves so many issues with the terrain from ability to paint it, customization (so you don’t clearly see that this is the third iteration of wall 1A on the board), and hedging off the 3rd party retailers. Heck, GW could even sell the detail sprue as a stand alone kit. I really see no downside with this
  • @kail4997
    So that’s the reason why I’m so fascinated by Oldhammer! Back then it’s more about “go build something fun” less “buy this official plastic spur”. And they have cardboard terrain!
  • @Qew77
    i find myself more and more coming back to your videos, keep up the good work, thank you
  • The insane amount of unnecessary detail on GW minis could be one of the reasons why they are so bloody expensive. I prefer using the older models from the 90s and early 2000s. However, on the rare occasion when I buy a modernhammer miniature, I always remove details I deem unnecessary. For example, on a regular space marine I remove all the panel lines from the armour plates so that all the armour is a flat smooth surface. In the case of Abaddon I removed all the spikes and teeth from his armour, and some of the cabling that were under his arms. I also modified all of his chaos trim to look more like the classic chaos trim from the older chaos models.
  • @acid2go
    This is why I love old hand modeled minis, they don't feel like a 3D model from a videogame exported to real life, but like actual sculptures. There is less detail creep and more expression.
  • @kdhlkjhdlk
    I'm happier with cheap flat MDF walls. Better to have a few standout centrepieces than trying to have every piece of terrain draw the eye
  • @DzikiWaclaw
    My most miserable expirience is painting a 1k points Thousand Sons army, and painting 1k points of new Cadians. Tsons because of the god damn trim and Cadians because of detail creep. New Shock Troopers have so much little details, pouches, holsters and stuff. Previously when I painted a Cadian Shock Trooper it took me about 30 minutes to paint one to a tabletop standard. Now it takes me more than an hour. It was mentally draining.
  • @Benjam311
    i painted about 7,000 points of warhammer fantasy High Elves, and enjoyed most of it. The worst unit to paint was the Lothern Sea Guard, which were also one of the newest kits in the range and consequently much more detailed. It's sad that the newer, more detailed models are ironically less enjoyable to paint. Sometimes less is more- GW needs to get the memo on this!
  • @twofarg0ne763
    Our group has been playing together for over 20 years. We built our custom-made campaign maps years ago. Our group is made up mostly retired IT people. There were 4 people in the original group, but we've grown to 14 over the years. Interestingly, most our new members were found by our kids, who've been playing with us since before they were teenagers. The demise of GW hit us hard, but it also gave us new hope because we've decided to go our own way. We will create our own lore, rule-sets, models, design our own armies, and print them on the 2 3D printers we purchased. While we decided we won't be playing shops or tournaments anymore, we'll continue to enjoy our hobby in the comfort of our own homes, on our custom-made campaign maps, where the Death Knights don't have to wear the new "GW sanctioned" pink and purple battle tutus. Best of all, we'll save a ton of money.
  • @mayofrench5170
    The level of detail on GW's Space Marines crept up over the years. When they released the Primaris Marines many complained about how they were too plain. Lately, GW has been introducing larger upgrade kits. Now people will complain about the cost of the upgrade kits. I prefer having relatively plain line troops and more detailed characters. For my Gallowdark terrain, I am considering using a dimly lit approach using a black base, red drybrush and orange drybrush on the various sculpted light sources. My thinking is that only the barest minimum of emergency lighting remains. Limiting my color palette will speed up the work. I am looking for playable terrain that provides a good backdrop for my minis. Alternately I could go for green tones with yellow for the light sources for something resembling a night vision feel. With just two boxes of the walls plus the Soulshackle add-ons it will still be a big project due to having to mask all the connection points. I hope I bought enough masking tape.
  • I had to paint kill team octarious terrain for a commission. ALL the details needed to be painted... it was pure pain.
  • @grahamroden8897
    If I’m honest I am happy with the printed cardboard terrain. Detail creep is frustrating on miniatures though. Painting the Bretonnian men at arms or Mantics halflings has been a true joy.
  • @Artmesa
    Detail is excellent for faster painting styles. Like oil washes and slapchop. This is why I prefer lots of detail; its easier to paint! Big flat areas are much harder to paint because you have to add in the detail, like streaks or moss or posters or similar.
  • @ShockArcl1te
    Another benefit to keeping those recesses on a separate sprue, it means the hobbyist gets to choose if there's windows or no windows in their terrain. Windows have been a contentious topic in the gaming section of the hobby before. It has to do with line of sight and if the windows which are purely for aesthetics on some terrain pieces also allow for LOS. Being able to plug those holes at will solves all that and simplifies what should be classified as obscuring terrain and what shouldn't. And like you said, it's not like GW didn't know how to do that because that's pretty much how the doors work.
  • @playwow2670
    You should be extremely proud of your work here honestly the painting is so good put some of these pictures in your portfolio