Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins Discuss Evolution, Religion, and More

Published 2024-07-29
I first encountered Lawrence Krauss sometime in the early 2000s at a conference. I had just given my lecture and was answering questions when a rather small man with a loud voice and a highly articulate manner stood up and began berating me in what I initially thought was an aggressive manner. It turned out he wasn’t being aggressive; rather, his clear and direct way of speaking seemed forceful compared to the usual, more roundabout way people talk. Intrigued, I sought him out in the bar afterward, and we had a good discussion. This man was, of course, the distinguished physicist and public intellectual Lawrence Krauss. Shortly afterward, we continued our friendly disagreement in the pages of Scientific American, back when the publication still focused on science. Since then, I’ve interacted with Lawrence on stage more often than with anyone else. The following recording was made at Stanford University around 2007 and exemplifies how two people can have a fruitful public discussion without a chairman and outside of a debate format. The nature of our initial disagreement forms a good part of the discussion itself, so I won’t spoil it here. I hope you enjoy it.
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All Comments (21)
  • I am in the UK. I had no idea about this lack of understanding of science, evolution etc. until I started to listen to YouTube videos. My plan was to learn more about physics, quantum physics, astronomy etc. Many of these videos are from the US. Only then did I come across these issues that seem so prevalent in the US to do with lack of understanding of science and belief of creationism. I also listen to a bit of true crime, which tends be be US cases, and I see so many comments about God and praying that have absolutely nothing to do with the crime and evidence being discussed. I was and am completely gob snacked by such ideas and way of thinking. I had never come across such thinking in my life (67 years) and upbringing in the UK. I find I difficult to comprehend that creationism is actually taught as fact in some schools. I was confused because I wanted to learn more science and religion kept cropping up. I started listening to Lawrence early on and have read many of Richard’s books. I read The God Delusion first and was so relieved that it wasn’t just me that had such views. I love listening to him speak. The two of them talking together is a real treat. I had also read Christopher Hitchins book about Mother Theresa before I knew who he was. I should mention I am not from a religious back ground. I took religion with a pinch of salt, especially when aged 5-6 at school the teacher telling us bible stories it just seemed very wrong to me even then.
  • @budd2nd
    It’s such a treat to watch this two incredibly interesting men have such a fascinating conversation. 👍👍
  • Let’s not forget that Giordano Bruno was burnt because the idea of infinity and others worlds. This big vision can be very weird for the religious understanding, even more fearful than the evolution and animal thing. And the same today. Cosmophysics is pure terror for some people. Impossible to see God in the sky after Copernico, Bruno, Galileo.
  • @krisbest6405
    My geography teacher travelled the world. Her classes were facinating 100% A passes.
  • @Dare5358
    excellent discussion and RIP Hitchens
  • @milivanilli1979
    I am excited to see you in San Francisco in October!!! 😊
  • @MrFishyEater
    i want to buy tickets to the san diego show but the dates arent up yet :((
  • @scisher3294
    Observations are key. Especially in biology, in tandem with notetaking and recording data. As for the Greeks, let us never forget that Socrates suggested that he did not write down his thoughts, because then he could forget about them…
  • @strider55555
    Always eye-opening and on the verge of being mystical. You guys really inspire me to love science.
  • @mikebellamy
    The opening subject is education and how to interest or reach people and on that subject the words "wonderful, amazing" and similar were used a number of times to describe the universe. Unfortunately what they and the audience are unware of is the implied meaning of such words. Ludwig Boltzmann finally explained the meaning of entropy in 1900 as a measure of disorder which contrary to naturalistic misinformation denying this has a mathematical equation equating disorder to the probability of a state of matter existing. So to the point: Words like "amazing, wonderful" etc. are actually expressions of surprise at seeing a highly improbable state of matter which is also an unusually low entropy state. By "unusual" we mean unexpected and the opposite of disorder ie order given the known processes of the random motion of atoms. In other words we strongly suspect something else should have been at work to achieve this and it is the term work we now must unpack. In 1861 James Prescott Joule established the mechanical equivalent of heat which divided energy into HEAT and WORK and it was Boltzmann in 1900 that explained why heat always moves from hot to cold. In so doing heat can only create disorder as it is random energy and the more random the system the more disordered and the higher the entropy. So the only form of energy that can create order is work but work is not random it is the product of a generalised force and a generalised distance both of which are vectors. Therefore work is directed energy but that means a choice has been made! Hence whenever we see any highly ordered arrangement regardless of it size we know it could only have come from work which directly implies it can only be the result of a choice of a mind! In regard to the order of stars and galaxies we are clearly dealing with a mind of infinite power and proportions and so logically we have the God of the Bible.
  • @uriituw
    Always a great discussion!
  • @spacemissing
    Dawkins, though generally on the correct track, has a tendency to put me off with some of his statements. He has an overwhelming talent for taking ALL the fun out of atheism.