Discussing Communism in All Its Glory | Michael Malice | EP 407
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Published 2023-12-21
Michael Malice is the author of “Dear Reader: The Unauthorized Autobiography of Kim Jong Il” and The New Right: A Journey to the Fringe of American Politics,” “The White Pill,” and organizer of “The Anarchist Handbook.” He is also the subject of the graphic novel “Ego & Hubris,” written by the late Harvey Pekar of American Splendor fame. He is the host of “YOUR WELCOME” with Michael Malice. Malice has co-authored books with several prominent personalities, including “Made in America” (the New York Times best selling autobiography of UFC Hall of Famer Matt Hughes), “Concierge Confidential” (one of NPR’s top 5 celebrity books of the year), and “Black Man, White House” (comedian D. L. Hughley’s satirical look at the Obama years, a New York Times best seller). He is also the founding editor of “Overheard in New York.”
This episode was filmed November 24th, 2023
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:23) Intro
(2:10) Reading “The White Pill”
(13:56) When hell reigns, but feigns heaven
(17:40) Why Malice wrote “The White Pill”
(23:40) Mans longing for paradise
(27:33) The inherent narcissism of intellectuals
(29:33) How Milton characterized Satan
(30:35) Immaculée Ilibagiza, the valorization of group identity
(34:06) It’s Plato versus Aristotle
(36:15) Latent sadism always finds expression
(42:37) When love is considered anti-soviet
(44:57) The Stasi files, informants tripping over themselves to inform
(48:10) The delusion of the west
(49:03) Sodom and Gomorra, when everyone lies
(52:16) Hopeful for the future: “we don’t need a majority, we need an alternative”
(56:08) What do we do about China?
(57:10) You won’t believe the name of China’s CCTV system
(59:17) What the enlightenment gets wrong
(1:00:50) Anarchism and Individualism
(1:02:42) Berkman and Goldman: “you do not have a moral obligation to starve”
(1:05:24) Jordan Petersons problem with Ayn Rand
(1:13:21) The moral code in Ayn Rand
(1:23:47) How Rand applies to the Exodus story
(1:29:40) Time preference: how stability and trust impact society
(1:32:29) The enlightenment delusion
(1:33:06) There is a place for Hedonism, social utility
(1:41:36) The principle of volunteerism, private property, and force by way of Anarchism
(1:53:21) Ordered freedom and its inherent flaws
(1:55:35) A lot of people do not want to be free
(1:57:36) Should we live for life here on earth, or for eternity?
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All Comments (21)
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Michael challenged Jordan more than any guest I’ve seen him interview. This was a great conversation. Anytime you are challenged it causes you to think deeper. Adds clarity
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When was the last time you had a conversation where you were able to talk for 5-10 minutes straight without interruption to fully get get your point across? The friends and family in my life NEVER just sit and listen intently and let my point fully come out and truly be formed. What a complete joy it must be to be these men and be able to engage in such a high level patient conversation. Well done gentleman, we’ll done!
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I've listened to about 1000 hours of Jordan and maybe 100 hours of Michael, and this was the most interesting conversation I've heard from either. Jordan is not the best at interviewing others, often interrupting the guest and imposing upon them, but Michael was the perfect guest to counter that personality. The interplay was perfectly balanced.
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"It turns out that we agree... and that's very annoying..." Absolute gold ... this is probably the best discussion I have witnessed - TY!
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The last 20 minutes of this discussion are pure gold. A lesson on how to have an intellectual disagreement without personal attacks or a frustrated walking away. We all just got better for watching it.
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Michael is the one that put the nail in the coffin of my belief that the state can be used for good. I went from anti gun, pro abortion, male feminist to right leaning pro republican to anti gov libertarian. We need to spread the idea that you don't have to default to a political party that barely shares a belief with you.
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Jeez, one of the sincerest thinkers with a great sense of humor, having a conversation with a brilliant jester with a profound sense of sincerity. What an incredible conversation. I'm going to have to watch this again.
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Jordan and Michael should sit down to have conversation once a week. Their dynamic is fascinating and brings about great ideas and concepts.
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I would pay very good money for these two to have a regular show with each other, and even more to have an occasional 3rd party guest appearance. This talk was stimulating beyond belief and nearly unfathomably impressive. Incredible work by two incredible minds.
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I can’t express how happy I am about this. Michael Malice’s commentaries on the Soviet Union are some of the most powerful things I have ever heard. With Jordan Peterson’s insight? I couldn’t be happier.
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I believe this interview should be seen by every person graduating from high school before they go to college. This is one of the most succinct and easy to be understood conversations on the topic of putting groups rights over individuals rights. I'm currently in the process of showing this to my class (I am a teacher) and they are shocked and it is changing lives. Thank you for posting this.
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Jordan delivers some of the most exceptional speeches of our time, truly at the top of the game in this regard. It's a real delight to watch an interview where he doesn't necessarily hold the dominant position.
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As a Gen Xer (born 1975, now 48) we were taught in public schools that communism is an "economic" system when in fact communism is all encompassing of peoples' lives. Had we been taught the WHOLE truth we would've noticed this new cultural Marxism and racialized Marxism much earlier and it wouldn't have gotten this far.
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This is one of the best interviews in a long while. Dr Peterson was so animated that I thought his chair was going to collapse. This one definitely goes onto the watch again list.
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I fully realize that Dr. Peterson is using his phone for notes and podcast outline. But it’s humorous to imagine that he’s doing something mundane like texting someone or playing a game on his phone while he discusses the horrors of the Russian Revolution in specific detail just off the top of his head.
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Watching Michael challenge one of the greatest thinkers of our time is amazing. I'm sure there are MANY topics these two gentlemen could (and SHOULD) discuss. I'm far more informed and enlightened after this discussion.
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I haven't seen Dr Peterson EVER wrestle ideas with any other guest quite like this... awesome discussion. 🤩
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This was a highly impressive discussion. It's rare to see someone engage so effectively and maintain their stance so well in a conversation with Peterson.
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It's precisely conversations like this that makes it feel so worth it to be an avid book reader. Being able to follow most if not all of the arguments throughout because I've read Solzhenitsyn, I've read The Fountainhead, I've read Camus, I've studied the Bible.. it's such a rewarding feeling to be able to follow along in a high level conversation like this
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I asked myself why was this conversation so engaging and expansive yet substantive: it was the willingness of both Dr. Peterson and Malice to play. Spar. Respectfully but to the hilt of skill and substance. THE COMEDY! The Lex call out! The LOLs! It almost veered into OG Sam Harris convo cringe but the play of expansive learning was awesome. Bravo both of you. I've a rooter for you both!
